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Outcast55

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Need some help here. I have a 2006 Cape Horn with twin 225HP Evinrude Etecs and Im running (3) iCommand gauges. Last season, the gauges kept telling me that they required a software update. Did some research and finally called Lowrance. Lowrance told me that a dealer needed to do the s/w upgrade. Boat is with the shop that performs all my maintenance and they have been an Evinrude dealer for years. They are telling me that the upgrade wont take and that I may need new gauges all together. Anyone have similar issues? Would love to know how the issue was rectified.

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Lowrance dropped production of their LM400 gauge several years ago which they labeled for BRP E. as ICommand 3.5" and special firmware to handle Evinrude specific NMEA2000 motor PID codes.  Parts are NLA.

Most of us have upgraded to the BRP E. Icon Pro 3.5" rpm gauges

http://www.operatorsguides.brp.com/OperatorsGuidesAttachments/OwnersManuals_EJ/attach/Accessories/766075%20EN.pdf


or the new BRP E. Nautilus 3.5" color display.

http://www.operatorsguides.brp.com/OperatorsGuidesAttachments/OwnersManuals_EJ/attach/Accessories/216762_EN.pdf

Both series operate on the NMEA2000 bus that is installed in your boat already.  Both easily support 2 motors each.  Almost plug and play except one has to program each gauge to displays desired, motor instances and boat specific info.

These also work well with a multi-function display unit that displays E-TEC motor PIDS.

I pulled out my old ICommand 3.5 and installed the new Nautilus 3.5 due to no support for the old ICommands for parts or service.  Works and plays well with my Simrad NSS Evo3.  Each serves as backup for the other system.  The Nautilus has a much more readable display especially in bright sunlight.

Nice feature of the IconPro and Nautilus series is that they are totally compatible with the G2 motors when one upgrades.  No gauge changes required.  They meet all warranty requirements of the G2s and offer all the operator features of the G2 motors such as AutoTrim

 

 

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Our dealership never installed I-Command gauges so I don't't have any experience with them. Digital gauges are like any electronic technology. Similar to considering trying to update a 13 year old desktop computer.
Others on here may know a tip or trick to loading the gauge updates. One option if you do have to replace the gauges is one of the new fishfinder/MFDs that can display your engine data. 7" screen models are in the $700 range.
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Originally Posted by Outcast55
...have a 2006 [boat and E-TEC engine] with...[three I-Command] gauges.

...the gauges [are] telling me that they [require] a software update

..the shop that performs all my maintenance...are telling me that the upgrade won[']t take and that I may need new gauges....


I-Command gauges from c.2006 are now 13-years-old.

I don't recall any mention that I-Command gauges spontaneously announce themselves that they MUST have new firmware installed. That situation is unknown to me.

Any updater patch for an I-Command gauges must come from Evinrude, not from Lowrance. The source for such an updater patch is an authorized Evinrude dealer.

Regarding application of device firmware upgrades in general, devices which can be upgraded by installation of new firmware often will work with a particular updater patch ONLY IF a certain level of firmware already exists in the device to be updated. 

Also, in order for a device to be able to be upgraded by a software patch, the device itself must be in some minimal state of function. Usually a device will have a hard-coded operating system that will allow itself to install new software into programmable memory, but if the device is not in that working state, no software updates may be possible.

Since your narrative is sparse on details about firmware revision levels, I must speculate: the cause of your problem may be  the existing firmware level on your c.2006 I-Command gauges is too old to be updated with the updater patch version your service provider is trying to use, and one or more earlier versions of firmware updaters must be applied in the proper sequence. This is just a guess.

An alternative guess: "the shop that performs all [your] maintenance" is not using the proper updater patch.

As for whether or not this problem can be considered an issue, one would have to determine if you entered into a contract with Evinrude in 2006 when you purchased the I-Command gauges that Evinrude would provide free updater patches for them after 13-years and after the product was no longer being sold. Check your purchase receipt for notice of that level of support being included in your purchase. If you don't have that contract, then there is no issue, just a problem. 

The solution to the problem may be to get new gauges, as your service provider and several other responses suggested already.

I am still curious how the I-Command gauges you have now decided they won't work anymore unless you apply an updater patch. I can't imagine how the gauges would become self-aware and know they needed to be updated.

If you could show a screen shot of the gauges demanding an update, it would be most interesting to see that behavior.

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jimh

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...a multi-function display unit that displays E-TEC motor PIDS.


Please explain the meaning of the acronym PIDS.

I searched for a meaning for PIDS and found 16 uses, but none of them made sense in the context of an E-TEC:

Cf.: https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PIDS

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jimh

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Before abandoning the I-Command gauges, I suggest you use the power-on self-test procedure to establish if the gauges have working firmware in them at present. See my article and further advice at

I-COMMAND GAUGE POWER-ON SELF TEST

http://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2085

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OBD-II PIDs (On-board diagnostics Parameter IDs) are codes used to request data from a vehicle, used as a diagnostic tool. SAE standard J1979 defines many OBD-IIPIDs
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PGN jimh for NMEA2000 systems.

Work on too many engines.  Building and tuning a Cummins Rat Rod project now, Mopar PIDs
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...PIDs...Parameter IDs


PID is a different acronym than PIDS. 

I guess the FreeDictionary is not up to date on vehicle diagnostics.

But I do not recall ever encountering the terms PID or PIDS in any Evinrude literature.

ASIDE: the most common meaning for PID that I found was pelvic inflammatory disease. 

Cf.: https://www.google.com/search?q=PID&oq=PID

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Are the Icon Pro gauges available on Shop.Evinrude.com?

A quick search of the above website yielded no results.

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