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olypopper

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"The fact that you permanently lock it tells me you expect it to fail. [smile]"

Unfortunately, the water in which most of my customers run is very silty and creates a totally different problem than what you and most others have experienced, sticking due to corrosion.  Our problem is that the area of the midsection that pivots is actually "silt washed" and the hole doesn't stay round for long.  The hole actually becomes egg shaped to an extreme and then the valve binds as the shaft is then off axis.  We have a unique environmental condition and this is how we deal with it.  It's cost effective and fast...............the first generation exhaust valve linkage would literally disintegrate in about 10 hours of use.............It's not easy to create a perfect engine for every environment but the good news is that the grease fitting is a good fix for 99% of Evinrudes 115/130 customers. 

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oly,
The silt/sand shaft wear problem on the V4 exhaust valve also occurs down here on our shallow jet drive streams.  Jets suck up lots of sand.  Like spraying the inside of the housing with a sand blaster.  My son has a new 115 jet, already has exhaust valve shaft hole wear.  Even a stainless steel bushing insert and lots of grease is not going to solve this problem.
The upgraded stainless steel impellers don't last long nor do the liners, we have lots of quartz and granite sand, like diamond cutting compound.
Son has had the EMM/VST cooling line plugged several times from sand. 
Like the idea of locking the shaft open especially on a jet, they are either idle or 5000 rpms
I'll pass the fix on to him.

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Oly & Steelhead,
You guys should be testing engines to destruction for Evinrude's engineers. Unbelievable.
Oly - when lock in open position, is there any noticeable effect at slower speeds below 4500rpm?
Why do you guys think the V6's don't have an exhaust valve? Looks like an expensive bit of engineering to me.
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Yes to both if it has a nipple.  If you really want to know you have no option but to remove the STD cover and look-takes about 5 minutes to do.


Hi, sorry for the poor english. 5396181 e115dplafa is the serial and model of my evinrude 115 2013 noverber mftg date. It does have like a bubble in the cover in left of de middle section. Despite the serial number is lower than those actualized with de grease nipple, what does the mentioned bubble covers. Could be the grease nipple? Regards
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Hi, sorry for the poor english. 5396181 e115dplafa is the serial and model of my evinrude 115 2013 noverber mftg date. It does have like a bubble in the cover in left of de middle section. Despite the serial number is lower than those actualized with de grease nipple, what does the mentioned bubble covers. Could be the grease nipple? Regards
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Starting with serial number 5397156, there is now a grease fitting located on the exhaust valve assy to prevent corrosion. This fitting is greased with triple guard grease during the 300 hr / 3 year service.


Hi, my evinrude serial number is 5396181 e115dplafa, mftg date november 2013. Evinrude will make a recall to include de grease nipple or will wait for failure in my exhaust valve? Evinrude never more.....
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I have no idea what you are saying or asking, but your engine serial number is before the running change and happens with ALL brands, there will be one engine built with something one way and then the next with something another better way.

IF YOUR engine is propped correctly and you do what we have told people on here to do in that use it regularly and at high RPM most likely the valve with function good for the life of the engine. No need for a recall they work fine if set-up correctly and used regularly.

I guess no outboard ever more for you then because as I said all brands have changes that are made over the years and one owner may have the old style and another owner will have the new style. If you are whinging this site is not for you, if you want help and advice post a history report.
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I have no idea what you are saying or asking, but your engine serial number is before the running change and happens with ALL brands, there will be one engine built with something one way and then the next with something another better way.

IF YOUR engine is propped correctly and you do what we have told people on here to do in that use it regularly and at high RPM most likely the valve with function good for the life of the engine. No need for a recall they work fine if set-up correctly and used regularly.

I guess no outboard ever more for you then because as I said all brands have changes that are made over the years and one owner may have the old style and another owner will have the new style. If you are whinging this site is not for you, if you want help and advice post a history report.
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I have no idea what you are saying or asking, but your engine serial number is before the running change and happens with ALL brands, there will be one engine built with something one way and then the next with something another better way.

IF YOUR engine is propped correctly and you do what we have told people on here to do in that use it regularly and at high RPM most likely the valve with function good for the life of the engine. No need for a recall they work fine if set-up correctly and used regularly.

I guess no outboard ever more for you then because as I said all brands have changes that are made over the years and one owner may have the old style and another owner will have the new style. If you are whinging this site is not for you, if you want help and advice post a history report.


Thanks for answering. I,m from Brasil and don,t speak english very well, so i m sorry about some missunderstanding. Regarding to regular use for reliable operation of the exhaust valve why exists the winterization mode? This issues with the exhaust valve seems to me a project error. Not everybody can use the engine in regular bases. By the way if this engine cannot be used below 4000 rev, maybe its is no suitable for me.....Sorry for anything. Thanks
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Why can you not use it below 4K RPM, I do not understand such a statement. As I said if you want help post a report or at least tell us more like WOT RPM's.

I am not sure why you would want to winterize an engine in Brasil, we do not do it here in Australia and if you see the need it will not hurt the valve. The problem is on engines doing around 10 hours or less a year, so if you use it like an average user of around 50 hours you will be fine. Doing a service on a 2009 model right now in the workshop and the valve is fine so yours will most likelty be that way too iof propped and set-up- coprrectly and you use it, which in a place like you are should not be hard due to not having any real cold weather. 
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Why can you not use it below 4K RPM, I do not understand such a statement. As I said if you want help post a report or at least tell us more like WOT RPM's.

I am not sure why you would want to winterize an engine in Brasil, we do not do it here in Australia and if you see the need it will not hurt the valve. The problem is on engines doing around 10 hours or less a year, so if you use it like an average user of around 50 hours you will be fine. Doing a service on a 2009 model right now in the workshop and the valve is fine so yours will most likelty be that way too iof propped and set-up- coprrectly and you use it, which in a place like you are should not be hard due to not having any real cold weather. 


Thank you very much for answering. My wot rev reach 6000k. Everythink is fine so far and the engine is still under warranty. My worry is about when end the warranty. The expensive cost of middlesection, etc...i use a average of 40 hour per year. Do you recomend add a grease nipple in the exaust valve as explained by other users to prevent future spent of $$$? Can i put the new middlesection with the standard grease nipple?Thank you for interest. I allways use xd 100 oil and several times weather dont allow run very often wot to clean and exercise exaust valve. Thanks very much!
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Your RPM are good, you use it more than a few times a year and you use good oil so more than likely you will be fine. As for your worry, I guess that can be the same with any outboard, car or the like you own. They can all cost out of warranty but as long as you know the ins and outs of something you own then you should be OK. Of course sometimes it maybe rough too rough to go above 4K every time out but when you can give it a good run like any outboard and you can use it below 4K all you like, juts be on top of making sure the valve is moved at service time. I guess you are a half glass empty person being worried about something that may never happen.
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Your RPM are good, you use it more than a few times a year and you use good oil so more than likely you will be fine. As for your worry, I guess that can be the same with any outboard, car or the like you own. They can all cost out of warranty but as long as you know the ins and outs of something you own then you should be OK. Of course sometimes it maybe rough too rough to go above 4K every time out but when you can give it a good run like any outboard and you can use it below 4K all you like, juts be on top of making sure the valve is moved at service time. I guess you are a half glass empty person being worried about something that may never happen.


You are right about the half glass too....i,m not rich unfortunately, and buy this engine cost me a lot of bucks. Too much taxes in Brasil. The boat is a fiberglass powerboat 18 feet year 1991. In wot at 6000 rev 48 mph. However i like to run most of time at 20 mph 3000 rpm (gas is expensive here, taxes again, and its more confortable to wife, dogs and me. Rarely the engine is used in salt water (in this case is well rinsed). In my place, to avoid extra costs (new middlesection when finish the warranty) and season time out of water (i like everything perfec)1) would you install the grease nipple in the exaust valve? 2)My engine accepts the new standard improved with grease nipple middlesection? By the way now 3 am is about -2 degrees celsius in south of brasil. Thanks!!
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You can try to add the grease nipple, not sure of your skill level but as I keep saying NOT every single V4 ever made has the valve stick-the ones that are not overpropped and are used regularly-that is they do not sit for 8-10 months a year do not have big problems with them.

As any good company should do they try to improve their product year on year and the grease nipple was one improvement they have done, it does not mean there is anything wrong with your engine.
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You can try to add the grease nipple, not sure of your skill level but as I keep saying NOT every single V4 ever made has the valve stick-the ones that are not overpropped and are used regularly-that is they do not sit for 8-10 months a year do not have big problems with them.

As any good company should do they try to improve their product year on year and the grease nipple was one improvement they have done, it does not mean there is anything wrong with your engine.


You are right. Thanks for helping. Have a great week.

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Rodrigo
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