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I have two 200 etecs and was wondering about using a temporary fuel bladder. Normally, you try to suck it dry. But I don't think that would be good for a two stroke as when it runs out of gas, it runs out of oil (based on old days when we were erroneously taught to empty carb). What do you experts say about this. Of course, when it starts to sputter I could switch valve open and close, but just want some feedback.
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Surely No Expert here, but I'd "never" try to run out of fuel!  The fuel helps cool injectors and fuel pump, and running 'lean' as the fuel runs out means temps in the chambers are raised.  You're risking all sorts of problems if you do that, including turning those $$$ motors into somewhat fancy boat anchors.  [frown]

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Yeah, I read that somewhere. Four strokes don't have that problem? Lots of folks use bladders or multiple fuel tanks and try to run them dry (ish), maybe that's the solution, run them emptyish. I was with a guy that ran one tank until it started to sputter and then switched. Interested if etecs are different or if the "masses are asses"
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Fuel and oil on your engine do not mix so if the engine runs without fuel it stops as simple as that. Running any modern engine dry, I do not care if 2 or 4 stroke-they both have 'that problem"of the fuel system components like HP pumps getting hot without petrol.

I must of  missed the point of why you want to run a bladder temporally?
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I wouldn't even try "emptyish", but I'm a real 'crankcase' for taking the best care of my motor that I can.  Unless an Expert chimes in otherwise, I would just Never do it, for the reasons stated - injector and fuel pump 'opportunities', and possibly a melted motor.

ETEC's can be a different animal than your father's old outboard.  ;-) 

Just curious, but how long do those 'other motors' last without major problems, doing that all the time?

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In Florida, we are so overfished, we run far sometimes. Seas are much calmer than the NE, so some areas much further are fishable to a smaller boat. I carry 180 gallons in one tank. Boat is 28' with bracket. An extra 50 gallon ATL fuel bladder means I can go a little further basing tuna or Gulf monsters and/or a little faster (means more time fishing) with the appropriate level of remaining fuel margin. I've read a lot of stuff on it on THT, and planned to pump out and into the tank through the fill nozzle with a high speed gas rated pump. Just wondering if I should reconsider. You either have to put on/off valves with quick connect at the fuel filter and run it there (but run the risk of mismanaging the "run out of fuel" point) or find a way to get it into the fuel tank.

It makes sense to me about reasons to not run out of fuel. People do it, Seatow makes a killing. I've never seen one of the boats I fish on run out of gas so the engine quits before switching one of the built in tanks. Just the engine starts to sputter and they switch tanks.

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ys engines run out of fuel all the time and most time no damage done. If that is what you want to do then as long as this fuel bladder, its fitting, the selector valve and hoses are up to spec and can do the job of suppling the correct amount of fuel like a permanent fuel system needs to be with any outboard then it will work OK.
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Sounds Good.  Is there a 'simple, easy way' to keep your fuel tank full from the bladder?  Extra fuel hose with bulb to pump it over?  It's just me, but I'd watch the fuel level, and start pumping it over, if there was a way.  I've had 'fuel delivery issues' that I caught in time.  It'll be a sad day, if I do it again, and so many "self-inflicted Dope Slaps" that I might remember not to ever do that again!  [wink]

No offense to them, but THT has a lot of BS to sort through.  I'm sticking here with the experts, and way experienced folks that actually care, and try to help.  [smile]

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Sounds Good.  Is there a 'simple, easy way' to keep your fuel tank full from the bladder?  Extra fuel hose with bulb to pump it over?  It's just me, but I'd watch the fuel level, and start pumping it over, if there was a way.  I've had 'fuel delivery issues' that I caught in time.  It'll be a sad day, if I do it again, and so many "self-inflicted Dope Slaps" that I might remember not to ever do that again!  [wink]

No offense to them, but THT has a lot of BS to sort through.  I'm sticking here with the experts, and way experienced folks that actually care, and try to help.  [smile]

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Gravity, but I hate it taking so long. I wasted 30 minutes emptying a 30 gallon portable plastic like tank with gravity while I drifted around. I don't want to leave the fill open and run. I got a Fill-Rite RD812NH Pump. It should do it quick.

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Well, there ya go...  Keep that Fill-Rite handy, and when the boat tank starts running low, I'd give it a whirl.  IMHO, with an ETEC, you Do Not want it to run Lean as if even 'sputtering' from lack of fuel.

Nothing good can come of it, and 'Plenty Bad, Keemo Sabe'.

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Well, there ya go...  Keep that Fill-Rite handy, and when the boat tank starts running low, I'd give it a whirl.  IMHO, with an ETEC, you Do Not want it to run Lean as if even 'sputtering' from lack of fuel.

Nothing good can come of it, and 'Plenty Bad, Keemo Sabe'.

Phil


You run 60 gallons out of the tank and then empty the bladder into it. It happens on the way out. Goodness. Carrying a full bladder with fish hooks and gaffs flying around. Lol.

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I wasn't meaning to imply keeping bladders full, especially with Tuna Gaffs, 'poons, etc. laying around.  LOL  I grew up 'near' where they film 'Wicked Tuna'.  That surely doesn't make me an expert though, any more than growing up near Sturtevandt would...  [smile]

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