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RonE56

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I am having trouble connecting EV Diagostics to my 2005 ETEC60. I have read many posts on this topic but I still can't crack it.
I'm using an FTDI USB cable and it passes the loop test but when I try to connect I get the error page so a few questions:

Is there any particular order for connecting the cable to the engine then turning the engine on or vice versa?

Do I need to select an EMM type and if so how?

I noticed when I viewed 'Maps Onboard' under File View it says Engine Map software was not found, should it find it and if so what is the File name?

When looking at the Serial history it lists COM7 as the serial USB port but under Serial Devices using FIFO it says No items listed and under Serial devices using Transmit timing it also says No Item Listed are the last two items a problem?

Do I need an EMM password and if so what might it be?

All I want to do is bleed the oil system and save a report. Would winterizing suffice?
I'm using 5.8.8.1 and the engine serial no is 05130202 and EMM 586862A

Many thanks for anyone's thoughts. Ron from Oz


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Is this a genuine Evinrude diagnostic program, or a middle European after market version? Which program is it running E.G. 5.x.x.x.

Also lots of help under Evinrude diagnostic  help section.

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I am having trouble connecting EV Diagostics to my 2005 ETEC60. I have read many posts on this topic but I still can't crack it.
I'm using an FTDI USB cable and it passes the loop test but when I try to connect I get the error page so a few questions:

Is there any particular order for connecting the cable to the engine then turning the engine on or vice versa?

Do I need to select an EMM type and if so how?

I noticed when I viewed 'Maps Onboard' under File View it says Engine Map software was not found, should it find it and if so what is the File name?

When looking at the Serial history it lists COM7 as the serial USB port but under Serial Devices using FIFO it says No items listed and under Serial devices using Transmit timing it also says No Item Listed are the last two items a problem?

Do I need an EMM password and if so what might it be?

All I want to do is bleed the oil system and save a report. Would winterizing suffice?
I'm using 5.8.8.1 and the engine serial no is 05130202 and EMM 586862A

Many thanks for anyone's thoughts. Ron from Oz



Is your engine a tiller or remote control type?

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RonE56

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Sorry I should have said it's a remote control  E60DPLSDA and the software version is 5.8.8.1
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As asked, is it a genuine version, it is an old version either way and check that serial number because that is for a 50HP.  As for your problem are you using a genuine cable and the USB to serial adaptor P/N587214 on windows 8 or higher? You will need to install the driver into the laptop and run as an administrator. this of course is assuming everything is genuine and not Eastern Europe aftermarket.

To prime the oil system if you need to for whatever reason can be done via the winterization process via the control box.
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I am not expert on Windows OS serial port problems, particularly on any version of Windows OS newer than Windows NT, but I believe that in regard to USB devices which are communication devices, the Windows OS may give the device a new COM PORT number every time you plug in the USB connection.

If there is a fundamental problem in communicating with the serial port from the EV-Diagnostics program, be sure to check the USB serial device acting as the communication device is shown at the same COM PORT number as the EV-Diagnostics software has been configured to use.

There might also be problems with the interface to the USB hardware which may depend on OS variations. Some software written to interface directly to USB devices may fail to work in newer version of the Windows OS which required use of an intermediate abstraction of the serial port using a new Application Programming Interface (API).

I recently noticed that a slightly older version of EV-Diagnostics (and sorry, I don't recall the version number) would not recognize a USB serial device that was very well supported with up-do-date drivers on a terminal running under Windows OS 10, but had worked flawlessly under Windows 2000.

A remedy was found by just upgrading the EV-Diagnostics software to a slightly more recent version (not the G2 new versions, but a version in the legacy E-TEC series, which I believe are a major version number 5.n). The update in EV-Diagnostics resulted in immediately functionality with the exact same hardware and driver used for the RS-232-to-USB interface now working perfectly under Windows 10.

Windows OS has been somewhat notorious for problems with serial device interface in the OS, and for programmers not following the strict implementations suggested.

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Thanks for you insights Jim and Huey. It is indeed a 50 with a 60 cowling the model number on the transom is very faded so it was hard to tell. The cable and software came from fleabay so I'm guessing it was 3rd party anyway I ended trying a Win 10 machine still no luck even though the software recognized the port and the cable passed the loop test.

So I bought another serial adapter from Jaycar in Oz (I think it had a Prolific chipset) and hacked the original cable with a serial plug as per Jim's drawings and bingo it connected first time. Win 10 installed the drivers automatically it's very good like that!

The engine has done 670 hrs on a house boat which seems a bit but no other faults from the report so all is good and thanks you all for your help.

Ps I've seen spark plugs which don't have to indexed are they suitable for this engine??

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The pre indexed "I" suffix spark plugs are for the G2 engine only as they are made to match the starting point of the threads in the G2 heads.

Note that "proper" indexing is within about a 180 degree range, they do not have to point directly at the injector.
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...The cable and software came from fleabay

...I ...hacked the original cable with a serial plug as per Jim's drawings and bingo it connected first time.


RON--I am glad that the information I published more than ten years ago showing the proper wiring arrangement for a cable to use with the E-TEC EMM Diagnostic port was helpful in resolving your problem with the poorly made RS-232 to EMM cable you bought from an on-line auction website.

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