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wothersr1

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Have 2008 115 ETEC with 374 hours. Motor is mint and up to now with the exception of replacing 1 injector under warranty this motor has been amazing until this season. Issue is once the motor warms up it cuts out at idle 750 RPM's. Motor restarts as normal and runs for a brief period and continuously cuts out. Does not cut out once above idle RPM. Motor was also a little sluggish when under load ie water skiing.

Authorized dealer tested and 2 injectors were not reacting properly to the EMM. Fuel pump was also tested and filters checked. All good. EMM was also checked and no codes indicating issues. Dealer suggested and I agreed to replacing all 4 injectors. After replacement, 3 of the injectors are working properly but 1 is not. Next step, dealer inspected reed valves and cylinder and all good and like new. Dealer contacted BRP Support for a test EMM to see if this is the issue. BRP Support does not believe the EMM is the issue and has requested additional tests to be done by the dealer which have not been completed.
This repair is getting very expensive with this process of elimination. As well the boat has been out of commission for 5 of weeks of our short Canadian summer season.

Was wondering if any other owners had a similar issue / experience and could share their solution.

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Hello wothersr1,

You will need to provide your model and serial numbers.
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Thank you for the reminder PopPop.   MN E115DPLSCR.    SN 523298.
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I would be asking for an actual soft copy (pdf file) of the engine report from the "authorized dealer".  Post it up on here and let the real experts take a look.

I'm always "suspicious", but it sounds like a dealer who likes to throw expensive Parts and Labor, and then see what happens.  Maybe then blame EV as to why it's taking so long, and so many parts needed?

If they won't give you an engine report that you've spent all this time and cash on, I would gently and respectfully ask them if it was maybe time for lawyers to get involved?  They may change their tune a bit?  When all else fails....

That V4 engine sounds to me like a possible exhaust valve problem.  Just a guess though!

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Try this if everything else is healthy E.G. compression, spark, plugs, HP and LP pumps, fuel supply, LP pump pulse nipples, exhaust nipple and orifice, exhaust actuator and valve.


Which injector is not working, Cylinder 1-2-3 or 4?  If for example cylinder 2, swap injector 2 and 4 or vice versa. If cylinder 1, swap injector 1 and 3 or vice versa.

Idle engine only, since coefficients are incorrect after swapping, for this test. 

If problem stays with cylinder, possible EMM.

If problem follows injector, possible faulty injector.    Easy-peachy?

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Thanks to all for your recommendations. Will contact the dealer on Monday morning and request the report as well as get a detailed summary of the tests, inspections and work done to date besides replacing the injectors. As of Thursday, dealer plan was to remove the EMM from the motor and test on a customer’s motor as BRP would not supply one to test with. Very grateful to the customer who agreed to the test.
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Update.   Motor is still not working properly after 15 hours of labour, replacing 4 injectors and a billing to date of $3732.32.    Based on how I read the report I believe the motor now has additional issues from the original problems, cuts out at idle 750 RPM's and slight bogging when under water skiing load.   Latest update is they have submitted the billing to BRP I assume for guidance on next steps.   They contacted BRP twice before once to get the codes for the injectors and I am told after installing the injectors when they were trying to get an EMM loaner to test the EMM.   At that time BRP support did not believe it was the in EMM and apparently gave the technician instructions of things to check.   BRP was correct there was no issue with the EMM when tested on another customers motor.

Attached is the invoice which details the labour and analysis done to date.   I am cutting the cord with this marina and taking it to another authorized BRP Etec dealer on Monday, August 17th.   It is obvious this "authorized" Evinrude dealer and factory trained technician does not have the technical ability to find and fix the issue which is very frustrating so time to move on.   I have redacted the name of the dealer as it is my attention to commence a civil action to recover some of the cost once the problem has been identified and fixed by the next dealer.   Not my 1st choice as all I want is my motor back in good working order.   Note the dealer has been an authorized high volume Etec dealer since their introduction so very surprising their inability to not have a solution to the problem.

Any suggestions for additional analyse or a fix would be deeply appreciated.    

Thank you.

MM Invoice 27087 - $3732.32 Photo.jpg 

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Did they give you the actual engine report as Phil mentioned? If so add it to see what is up.
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Thank you Huey.   Glad to see you are still participating as you helped me solve a stiff throttle issue on this motor when I purchased it new in 2008.   Yes I will post the report once I receive it.   
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Take pictures of each injector tag showing serial #s clearly and post a link to a photo hosting site where they are stored.

Need the latest after all new injectors installed Engine History Profiles pages in .pdf file type uploaded to a hosting site.

Also need a Engine Monitor page snapshot while running and failing warm idle.

We want to compare injector serial #s installed in heads with programmed in EMM injectors.  Too much switching, new replacements, mixups occur.

If you are going to keep the motor and have DIYers troubleshooting skills, invest in the EV Diagnostics software and cable.  Lots of sources now,  Call Joe at BBs top of pg he may still have access, ebay, and company that works directly with BRP name has been posted several times under EV sources.  Basic hand tools, compression and leakdown gauge, fuel vacuum and pressure gauges, digital multimeter spend $100 min to get a decent meter.  Many of these can be borrowed free of charge at local chain auto parts stores.

We don't have a location for you, so members in your area cannot recommend competent E. service shops.  As you have found out, far too much quality variation between E. shops

 

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Gentlemen, the cause of the issue for the stalling was finally identified by the dealer. The Coles note’s version is the crankcase sealant installed at the factory was leaking around the #2 cylinder. I expect to get the boat back within the next 2 weeks as they are awaiting the arrival of the last part. As I am not a technician once I have the motor back and tested to ensure it is running to my standards, I will share the invoice with the details of the problem and fix as well as my thoughts on BRP support as a 60 year very disappointed “soon to be ex customer” of exclusively Evinrude and Johnson motors.
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The Coles note’s version is the crankcase sealant installed at the factory was leaking around the #2 cylinder.


Would love some more clarification what this diagnose means. If leaking out to the atmosphere through crank case split, it would have been very obvious with engine running and hood off.

A photo and engine report would be good.

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12 years and hundreds of hours of motor operation, then a crankcase seal starts leaking.  That's about 9 years past the 3 year warranty part, at least according to my limited 2nd grade arithmetic?

I've had EU lux. cars leak oil on a spotless garage floor the first year and dealer was never able to fix it.

Should have been spouting lube under the cowling and whistling like a tea pot out the crankcase sealant hole.  Most likely a crankcase<>loosened off by vibration, boat wave jump or was loosened by shop.
Exceeding rare, but does occur in rebuilds with bent case/plenums from stuck pistons/broken rods.

I'm voting no on factory caused.
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