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Mikestyger1

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Thought I would have my first post as a question on here.  First 2-stroke I"ve had in about 10 years and wondering about the performance on it.  I have a 2007 Proline 23 with a 200 H.O engine with 537 hrs on it.

Top speed on the etec site says about 42mph but I cannot get it past 35mph (5800rpm give or take) on smooth water with just me and no gear on it.  It's also cruising around 24mph and 4500rpm.  It also may just be my mind but it takes a little while to plane.

Again, the last boat I had was a 23 sailfish w twin 150 yamahas, so I may still have those numbers (that this boat will never hit) in my mind.  

Are these numbers normal?  I thought for sure I could see closer to 40 as WOT and better cruising speed.  Thanks 
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Mike,

Welcome, and where is your AV plate at plane?  Too low, and you're dragging a sea anchor behind the boat.  I'm no expert, but it's gotta be up above 'solid water', before you try to 'get anywhere' on deciphering top speed.  After Height is correct, then the Experts will chime in with prop suggestions for your rig.

Pic's would help on plane, if you have some.

Phil

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My 23' Excel with a 17p Rebel will hit 44mph ( GPS ) with that same outboard.  A 2011 200 H.O
A/V  plate  rides perfectly right on or just below the surface of the water which is important. At 4200 rpms im doing 35 mph  give or take.

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Thanks guys.  I just picked up the boat used about 4 days ago and only have taken it out 3 times.  NO pictures and didn't check the AV so will do that on Saturday when I get out and get pics up.  Hopefully that's an easy fix.  
IF I can cruise around 35mph I'd be ecstatic.  Hopefully it's an easy "fix" 

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Should "Hopefully" be a Piece o' Cake, to get 'er running like she should.  [wink]

Post back, when you can.

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What prop are you running?
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Is your boat a Sport or an Express.  A WA is probably a lot heavier than a CC.  I have a '96 Pro Line 231 WA (huge for a 23) with an '06 250 ETEC.  Last month I got 36 @5300 (WOT) with me and my 5 brothers and all our gear and 80 gallons of fuel, and I'm not even propped right yet.  Is your engine sitting at about the same height as the one on this test boat?

http://org-www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/neutral/performanceReports/PE441.pdf

Edited to change WOT RPM from 4300 to 5300.

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Thanks again for relies.   I took a few pics of the engine set up and apparently cant post because om limited to 1mb pictures.  Will see if i can figure it out.  
There are 4 holes in the mount and the bolt is on the second one from the bottom.  Not sure that helps.
As far as prop i have a 3 blade viper prop.  
14 3/4 x 17

Will try to figure out pics tomorrow in hopes that somekne sees somethinf obvious that i can adjust.  Thnx
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Dan
That etec looks like its placed a little lower than mine.  Wonder if mine needs to drop down a bit.
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Hi Mikestyger1,
Re, I took a few pics of the engine set up and apparently cant post because om limited to 1mb pictures. Will see if i can figure it out.
You need a photo compression program / App. Depending on the device you're trying to upload the photos from there are quiet a few free programs / Apps available. I use an App called Photo Wings on iPhone / iPad.
Cheers
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Dan
That etec looks like its placed a little lower than mine.  Wonder if mine needs to drop down a bit.

That performance report that I posted says that the engine is a 25" mounted in hole position #3.  I would 'guess' that hole #3 is the second from the bottom.  I think that if you drop yours it will slow the boat down even more.  Once again, just guessing.  If it were mounted too high right now you would probably know it, especially in turns.

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It's a center console 23ft.

Looks like I have the engine on the 3rd hole (2nd from the bottom).   It does feel very sluggish on turns, but steering is great.   Still researching.   here are some pics

https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20994255_10212544788128937_4564579040612162131_n.jpg?oh=5e27d33f40ba05e2ca924e326c1e30e1&oe=5A2CAEBE

https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21034269_10212544786408894_6124767543744635553_n.jpg?oh=179715187ba4320ae09e9e03321298ec&oe=5A60C1C9

https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20994315_10212544786648900_7942753187795075857_n.jpg?oh=f410317c582ac53827f5fa13d28ba3ea&oe=5A1B2ADA
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High prop slip # from that Viper prop, 27%.  Vipers are for high horsepower light high speed smaller hulls.

Try a 15P or 17P Rebel to reduce the slip % and minimum hull on plane speed.  E. Cyclone 4 blades are also top offshore high speed props with quality handling characteristics.

Shoot for <10% slip at WOT with GPS speed and digital rpm gauge.
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I agree with Steelhead, for your boat the 17p Rebel would be perfect as long as you get the outboard set right. I have it on my 24' Grady white WA also and it pushes that boat 46pmh at 5550 rpm's with tank full of gas and 2 people.  See if you can try a 17p first then back down to a 15p if need but you will love how it will push your boat!
Same outboard - 200 H.O  2008

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So thanks for the replies.  I may need a little more info on the prop though.  Not that I've met any of you but trust that you know more than me about these props.  Can you give me a specific 17p to try out; maybe a part number?  I can look for one and try it on the boat.  I guess I don't know what the other numbers on the prop are.  My current now is a 14 3/4 x 17.  I've been boating for decades now, but never had to worry about the prop.  Guess it's about time I learned.   The prop on the etec page with proline is a  15 1/2” x 17”

I have to assume that the 24ft grady wa weighs a LOT more than my boat and if that can push it at 45mph then that's the prop for me!  I'm not a speed demon, but I would love to be able to cruise around 30-34 mph.  I don't like running WOT just to get to 35.

Thanks again and if you can let me know a part number, I'll try to see if I can find one and order.  Still trying to figure out if the engine position is high/low enough also.  Taking it out on Saturday and will get a couple pictures of the AV plate to see what you guys think

Mike
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