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johnsc

Registered: 07/21/08
Posts: 22
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Just curious if there is a known issue with starters on the 150. I have roughly 130 hours on the motor and just had to get the starter replaced again. I am now on my third starter in two years. Seems like both times the bendix wouldn't pop up and engage the flywheel. The first one that went I could rap on the bottom with a hammer and it would then work, which kept me fishing until the dealer could get a replacement. That didn't work on the second one but my dealer was able to get a replacement in 2 days and get me back fishing. So, it hasn't been a huge inconvenience, other than the 75 mile one way trip to the dealer. Just wondering if this is something I can expect to keep happening.

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2008 Alumacraft Navigator 175 Sport
2008 150 E-tec
Model E150DPXSCR
SN 05200888
cable405

Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 71
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I had 2 starters already replaced on my 2007 115.The first one did the same thing yours was doing.Not engageing.The second one the gear shattered into little pieces.Both replaced with only 100 hours.Luckily for me.My dealer gives me new ones and I replace my self.Warrenties.You need to have them.

Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 7,832
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Hi, there is a bulletin about bendix gear angles so your dealer should know this, but a lazy starter motor can be down to weak battery, bad cables and/or connections so did they do a voltage drop test. If all OK and the brushes look OK then no starter motors in theory have not changed for years so did they dismantle the starters and see what the internals look like and tes the armature-takes about 5 minutes and I would do that just for my own interest if I was your dealer.

Have a read thru here and make sure the boats battery system is upto spec and better to be over the CCA especially if used in cold weather.

Cheers,

Huey.
johnsc

Registered: 07/21/08
Posts: 22
Reply with quote  #4 
Huey,

They did do a voltage drop test and verified the battery was up to spec and in good condition while I was there dropping it off. I do not know if they opened it up and looked at the guts of the starter as the tech was not around when I picked up the boat so I didn't get a chance to talk to him. All the parts lady knew was that they replaced the starter. It does get a lot of use in cold weather though.

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2008 150 E-tec
Model E150DPXSCR
SN 05200888
Rick115HO

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 41
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I know of at least 4 bad starters, that have had to be replaced

Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 7,832
Reply with quote  #6 

Bad in what way-that can cover alot of bases and yes I know of ALOT more than 4 bad starters from all the brands that we service here.

Rick115HO

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 41
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Just commenting that from discussing starter motor failures, there seem to be quite a lot that get replaced under warranty, as was mine, Could be a good thing to watch out for.

Rick115HO

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 41
Reply with quote  #8 

Obviously you (Huey) would have seen ALOT more, as you guys are dealers, I'm just commenting on people I personally know (or is this not allowed)

indian036

Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 66
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Problem with commenting on people we personally know is that its a very small sample.
Reality of a site like this is that a significant number of the contributors do so because they have a problem. While we can't deny the reality of their problem, and the problems of the people we personally know, its often hard to know what the underlying cause is.
While we have to acknowledge that some of our contributors have an interest in promoting the engine they sell, they also have the advantage of experience with a significant number of engines of all sizes, dealing with everything from routine services to catastrophic failures.
The bigger the data pool, the more reliable the overall conclusion, while at the same time not denying the reality of an individual's experience, nor their right to post their experience on this forum..
Bill

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Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 7,832
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick115HO

Obviously you (Huey) would have seen ALOT more, as you guys are dealers, I'm just commenting on people I personally know (or is this not allowed)

I see alot from all the outboard brands we service and as I said in another post there is no claim against your serial number for a starter motor so again I ask what was "bad' about yours because the humble old starter motor from old brands really has not changed design in years so if there was a inherit design fault then it would have been a problem even in the carby days. P/N 586957 is your starter motor and we have purchased 2 in all the years that this starter motor has been used, so not a problem child for us.

Cheers,

Huey.
Rick115HO

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 41
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What was wrong with my starter motor can only be told to you by BRP Australia, as they replaced it and took the bad one with them......

Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 7,832
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Did the dealer not dismantle it, because he would of been the one that removed it and asked for a new one. I know I would be interested if I had a bad starter as to the cause and it takes less than 5 minutes to dismantle one and again what was bad with it, did it not crank the engine, cranked the engine slowly, not engage the flywheel or what?

Cheers,

Huey.
Rick115HO

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 41
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Have no idea if it was dismantled, all I know is it would not spin the gear up to engauge the flywheel, and the exterior was covered in a orange powdery substance (copper bushes??), apparantly voltage drop caused by the starter motor also affected my Icommand gauges (or so I have been told) these were also replaced (do the guages show up in the system).

Rick
Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 7,832
Reply with quote  #14 
Yes the gauges do, and I wonder if they ever did a voltage drop test but at the end of the day you got a new starter motor in warranty and yes not ideal but things happen and you are back on the water. If it was my engine, I just would of asked what the internals lloked like.

I wish you well in your search.

Cheers,

Huey.
Roverine

Registered: 08/04/11
Posts: 7
Reply with quote  #15 

Just joined this forum to see if there was a history of problems with ETEC starters.  My 2009 175HP just blew a starter.  First not engaging the flywheel and just spinning followed by a horrible grinding noise.  Smaller of 2 gears inside starter motor case (which turn Bendix gear up to engage flywheel?) stripped/disintegrated.  Hoping this is a BEST warranty issue as this happened with no warning after following specified starting instructions.  Dealer has it now, so I'll see.  Wanted to report it in case this is a known issue and not just a bad part.  As someone in this thread said, bad parts happen, though it sucks to lose part of the season to this with a 3 y.o. motor under warranty.

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