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arfadunger

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Registered: 07/06/09
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Stumbled across a performance chip on EBay. What are peoples (experts) thoughts?

I can think of a few comments immediately:

- Will void your warranty.
- Illegal to change, due to emission laws.

But forgetting those, is it possible that they actually do something? I certainly have no intentions of trying them out (at least while I'm under warranty). But it got me thinking that while it is easy to dismiss them as "snake oil" if you correlate outboards to sports motorcycles, basically a lot of people who buy motorbikes immediately put a device in it that plays with the EFI system because the general feeling is that the motor is tuned to pass emission testing, rather than to have it running as efficiently as it can. Would/could that same principle apply to Etecs?

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Matt
Huey

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Hi Matt, never seen one mate and post a link and I will have a look when I get a minute. I highly doubt it would be that simple and there is nowhere to put a "chip" into an E-TEC EMM and DI outboards are a fair bit different to throttle body EFI outobards that for years companies have had "upgrades" for the ECU on them.

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Huey.
arfadunger

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Thanks Huey,

Here's the link:

http://stores.ebay.com/Magnum-Factory-Outlet_Boat-Performance-Chips_W0QQ_fsubZ1014446012QQ_sidZ159474202?_nkw=evinrude&submit=Search

Thanks,

Matt

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Sounds too good to be true.

BUT someone has to check it out.

You GO 1st !!!!!!  ?? 

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Hi Matt, had a look and yes even though they list a kit for 115HP E-TEC and up they also list kits for EFI Evinrudes and never has such a thing been made-so that is a worry. Having a quick read it seems to trick the EMM into thinking it is colder than it is and therefore you can control the amount of fuel and hopefully acceration and speed without killing it. I personally think you would be wasting US$79.99 plus shipping but your call mate.

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Huey.
arfadunger

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Originally Posted by LIQUIDNIRVANA
Sounds too good to be true.

BUT someone has to check it out.

You GO 1st !!!!!!  ?? 

Touche!

However:
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Originally Posted by arfadunger
I certainly have no intentions of trying them out (at least while I'm under warranty).


I'll give a report in 4 and half years!!

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Originally Posted by Huey
Hi Matt, had a look and yes even though they list a kit for 115HP E-TEC and up they also list kits for EFI Evinrudes and never has such a thing been made-so that is a worry. Having a quick read it seems to trick the EMM into thinking it is colder than it is and therefore you can control the amount of fuel and hopefully acceration and speed without killing it. I personally think you would be wasting US$79.99 plus shipping but your call mate.

Cheers,

Huey.


Thanks Huey, Not really interested at this stage, really happy with the performance of my motor as it is. But maybe in the future, who knows? Just wondering on the principle of it all, and if the principle is correct whether something might be developed, or refined, over the next 5 years, or whenever.
Huey

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Hi Matt, the principles are the same as what has been for years in outboards-controlling the amount of air and fuel that enters the combustion chamber to affect speed, grunt and fuel economy. The trick is to get it right otherwise very easy to cause big failures and I doubt this Ebay seller would be wanting to offer any assitance on rebuilding.

Yes lets see what is around, if anything, after your warranty period. As I say to all the people that ask the same question, due to the laws in the States (which really is the only market big enough for an aftermarket company to get this sort of thing right-that is be prepared to blow up a few engines in the hope of selling enough kits to justify the costs)- there are big fines for companies and individuals if you change the emissions-I would not hold my breath wanting for a fool proof kit for any "clean" tec engine.

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Huey.  
arfadunger

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Hi Matt, the principles are the same as what has been for years in outboards-controlling the amount of air and fuel that enters the combustion chamber to affect speed, grunt and fuel economy. The trick is to get it right

Hi Huey,

Yes I understand this, however, I guess what I'm thinking, is the major focus of Evinrude to get maximum efficiency/performance from the motor, or good emission ratings. Do they even need to be mutually exclusive?

Cheers,

Matt
Huey

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Hi Matt, the major focus of all brands is to get emissions so that they can continue to sell them and trust me emissions are only going to get tougher. The US is following the EU on CO in a few years, but E-TEC met that already. The brands that are going to suceed in the future are the brands that get do the above while offering good performance, reliabilty, fuel economy and light weight because the repower market is large.

Cheers,

Huey. 
Ferdi

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this ist the website of the vendor - http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/dyno-boost_digital_boat_performance_chip-inboard_outboard/Outboard/Evinrude/E-TEC%20150%20HO%20V6%2060%20Grade

as you can see these performance boxes are available for a lot of cars, bikes, outboards and other engines. If they gain hp with the box ? maybe.

I could imagine that in lower and middle RPM range it will gain HP because of a richer fuel:air ratio. In high RPMs, where nearly all motors run with richer ratio than lambda 1, more lambda 0,8 - 0,9, some turbos and supercharger engines even 0,75, because of motor safety and cooling with fuel, it will not bring even 1 HP .


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He has been listing them for some time now. I dont know of anyone that has purchased one. I would stay far away from it.


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in scooter and motorbike-tuning such chip-boxes which cheat the EMM are very common. As of my son, who is mechanic at a Ducati/Triumph/KTM bike-dealer, they gain HP in the middle RPM but not in the high RPM range and WOT area.
But, no experience with magnum boxes.


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You can be the first let us know how it works out.Then I'll buy one!


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 Use the money to buy more XD100 oil instead, your engine will thankyou for it by running longer.....
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he uses the same graphs for all the motor sizes.............and its 20 hp apparently from a 115.........with the air temp sender??????  i dont think so..............theres some in the temp sender if you do it right, and even the combo of the two i doubt is 20 on a 115.........hell it aint 20 on the 250..........id beware..................
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