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PhilH12

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That hose needs to provide clearance inside the cowling for shift and throttle, etc..  Just me, but I would do it with the new pre-molded hose.  (Like I did)

Meanwhile, if the end is soft, what happened inside the rest of it?  I'm quoting from "memory" on price, and 'memory' is none too reliable these days.  $66 is with the dealer markup, so a good deal, I would think.

How valuable is your motor, and how well do you want it to run?  Causing "lean" by plugging things up with bad hose can cost injectors, HP fuel pump, and melted pistons.  An easy choice, IMHO.

I also had 'similar' problems with mine - missing, skipping, etc. but only when running at mid to upper rpm's for a few minutes.  Yeow - fuel starvation, but luckily caught before any apparent damage done.  My Racor vac gauge installed on the filter now doesn't get above 1" of vacuum, so it's been running 'sweetly' ever since.

Good luck with it!

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I decided servicing the VS T filter was outside my wheel house so I loaded my 22' pontoon boat on a trailer and took it to the Evinrude dealer 30 miles away,I bought the boat from.
Long story short, he had never heard of the VS T filter and it didn't appear in his parts break down for my model. I tried to explain it was an ommission but would show up in 2012 parts manual. He wanted to have me leave the boat, at least 10 days and then they would analyze the problems and call me back to discuss. He also wanted to do the three year service thing where they connect to the computer, which showed nothing related to this problem which had begun ( but quite minorly) before my last trip to the dealer. This discussion would not include the VS T filter, because, in his willful ignorance, it does not exist.
I had not thought to write down the VST part number because, after all, this was an Evinrude dealer. I excused myself to get my phone I left in the car to call my wife for the on, but when I got to the car, I just got in and left.
What can you do about willfully ignorant service managers?
I asked them if they monitored etecownersgroup forum and he scoffed, saying they got their information from Evinrude.
As someone who worked 26 years for a major component supplier, I know just how deep in denial the mother ship can be.What can you do about an obdurate dealer service manager?
My wife wants me to call the owner but I don't want to for any number of reasons.

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Yeow again!  Sorry to hear of the woes.  An "outboard" tech doesn't necessarily know about E-TEC's.  A whole new breed of motors, as I've found out myself, and why I stay 'plugged in' on here!  No dealers close enough for me to think of trailering there.

Quite correct in that the VST filter isn't mentioned in the older manuals.  P/N is 354190.  But, I only learned that on here from the experts.  Once that VST hose is removed, you'll see a little "black plastic ring" sticking out from the VST nipple.  That's what needs to be Gently pried or pulled out.  I gently used a very small screwdriver, but they say it can be done with a #10 sheet metal screw, again - gently screwed into that cone, and then wiggled and removed.  A dab of grease on the new one, and re-assemble.  They can also be serviced though, if not destroyed in the removal process.  I hosed mine off with Gum-Out, and it looked like new.  It's still here with the other 2 spares that I have.

IDK, call EV, if he's advertising being an EV tech, and doesn't know, or sounds like he doesn't want to know?  They can most likely confirm, but I surely can't.

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Thanks, . Phil. I went down a similar road with John Deere and my mower. The dealer charged me $358 and did everything but fix it. Then I took it to an old time mechanic who told me it was the fuel solenoid and charged me $25. Next time the mower wouldn't start, I put a magnet on the back of the solenoid and it starts right up.
On my way home from Evinrude dealer, I stopped to see the old mechanic and he asked me to call him Tuesday about bringing it in. I am sure he can handle this for about $25. Should have gone there first! Of course, I wouldn't know what to be looking for if not for this great forum.
I also own a Chevy Volt a n d belong to a Volt owners forum. Remarkable how the dealers know nearly nothing about these remarkable automobiles.

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If this old mechanic has Ev diag then yes might pay to take the boat to him. In my experience, you can not beat experience. Yes some dealers I guess with anything modern can get left behind, like the Chevy dealers and the new age Volt.

To the OP, molded hoses are molded for a reason but if you think the tail end of the hose can be cut away to remove the kink it could be worth a shot.
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I opted out of the moulded hose when replacing my fuel line and sure enough it started to wear through where it passes the linkage. purchased the mouled hose..
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I have seen a few of the early (04-06) molded fuel hoses that were "soft and squishy". Assuming it was from long term exposure to ethanol. The molded hose may save you $40 of aggravation trying to run a straight hose in curves.
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When I started as a tech in 2013 the mechanic I replaced or the parts manager had never heard of a vst filter, since then I have sold 4 filters. There is nothing wrong with an ounce of prevention with good preventative maintenance but my experience shows that the VST filter very rarely needs servicing. Since any debris is caught on the outside of the filter it can be cleaned, guessing to 95%, by removing the hose and spraying carb or brake cleaner on it without removing it. If the filter is causing a restriction in the fuel return circuit it will raise the fuel pressure. As a tech I connect EV5 and a fuel pressure gauge to every engine that we work on to see if any further service is needed. As an example, I can afford to give an extra 5 minutes of "free" diagnostics included with a water pump replacement. If I were to take 30 minutes to replace the filter, I would have to charge the customer an additional $45 dollars and explain " that extra charge was to replace a part that a fuel pressure test indicates was good.".
I could sell a lot more spark plugs too instead of checking them, cleaning with engine tuner and putting them back in. Unless there is another fuel or oil problem the spark plugs are usually good for 600 hours. I believe we give good affordable service and not "shoddy shortcuts". We have a lot of competition from a lot of other dealers and other brands in our area.
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Great thoughts, Rick!  You should move to Texas, so I'd have a good tech nearby.  [smile]

Maybe just me, but I've seen a bunch of "weird" problems show up on here, that had folks scratching their heads.  Oh, it was an even 'slightly' clogged VST filter.

I don't know in this case, but surely should be checked, I would think.  Peace of Mind can be Priceless!

Best!

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While replacing the fuel lines from tank to motor, I've found that the fuel inlet - tee hose is deteriorating inside. Have read a fair amount on that here.

So, I'd assume that I have to replace all the fuel lines in the motor (between pumps, vst, etc..) I'll inspect them, but I'm thinking that this motor sat with ethanol fuel at some time in its life...

I've seen the black bits of hose in my under-cowling filter, but didn't know what they were.

Clean VST filter and injectors?

Is there a set that you buy of pre-molded hoses? Or do you just cut small lengths? Any tips or tricks, part numbers appreciated.

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That "may" be a bit of overkill (and Pricey) to just do all of those fuel hoses and injector rails, but they should at least be checked.  Then again, there is that Peace of Mind, knowing everything is up to 'spec'!

Call Barnacle Bill's and get a Parts Manual for your specific motor.  I'd at least clean the VST filter, and also the bottom screen under the HP pump - one of the easiest jobs to do on that motor, one hose and one screw for the clamp that holds it to the VST.  Seeing that bottom screen will say a lot about your fuel delivery hoses.

My Parts Manual (2007!) shows -

Fuel rails - 5006262 FUEL RAIL Assy, Supply    5006261 FUEL RAIL Assy, Return

Hoses - 350792 HOSE, Fuel pump to fuel filter   352271 HOSE, Fuel filter to vapor separator   351226 HOSE, Fuel inlet to tee   350998 HOSE, Oil tee to fuel pump

Don't forget that you'll need clamps etc. depending on what you replace - 346150 *HOSE CLAMP, 18.5mm (2)   351009 CLAMP, Fuel filter to C/C (1)   346150 HOSE CLAMP, 18.5mm (5)   348839 HOSE CLAMP, 17mm (1)   346785 HOSE CLAMP, Pump pulse (14.5mm) (1)

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Can someone pm me with proof on official Evinrude service bulletin that VST filter on 354190 is resident on 2007 Etec E90DPLSUM. I Called Evinrude @877 412 7467 . She referenced bulletin 2013 -03 that covers servicing VS T filter, but couldn't supply me anything proving it is found on 07 models.
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Sorry, Capn - no Proof, except what I've seen with my own eyes.  Exact same model motor, year, etc.  I know it's there but sounds like you need an "official" document for your dealer?  Hint - they used to sell you a whole VST because the $3 filter got clogged.  Just the way it was "back then".

Ask him to take 10 minutes, and remove the Lower Right FRONT hose on the VST - there are 2 of them down there, one in front of the other ie, the one that is "closest" to you is hiding that little ghost.

Good luck!

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Thanks a bunch for taking the time Phil. I called my dealer and he said that he had felt all the internal hoses and thought they felt good. So I’ll finish replacing my tank-motor lines. Then schedule my 300hr service. At which time he can look at the vst.

I’m a little gunshy after my sparkplug incident. And I don’t want to risk ruining the filter or tank at the moment!

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No problem, FryFish!  Just hoping to "give back" a little of the great knowledge that I've only learned on here.  When I got this "old" boat/motor, I finally figured out how to get the top cowling off.  Then, I could identify spark plugs, but that was about all.  Surely NO expert, by a long shot.

I hear the "gun shy", but sometimes, a little 'bravery' can go a long ways, too.  [wink]

Don't forget to check the bottom screen under the HP pump on the side of the VST!

Phil

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