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soundmind

Registered: 01/23/11
Posts: 19
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38  Oil pressure pulses in distribution manifold not detected
58  Engine failed to attain proper operating temperature - Port or single.
21  Auto-Winterization Activated


one of my 75's have these errors on the faults log any ideas
how do i turn of auto winterization


Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 8,230
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Hi, how many hours on it now and when did these occur-the report tells this and the auto-winterise can not be tunred off-if someone has done it, it cycles the oil pump and once that is completed it returns to normal. If these are recent then service the thermo and pressure valve to make sure the engine reaches correct temp. You can delete these codes as "stored codes" to determine the problems have gone, but they will always be in persistant codes to give a history of that outboard.

Cheers,

Huey.
soundmind

Registered: 01/23/11
Posts: 19
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i have attached the reports

any ideas and insight would be greatly apreciated

i have notice the difference in tdc ofsets for the timing - not ideal im sure....


 
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pdf starboard_side.pdf (28.60 KB, 105 views)
pdf port_side.pdf (27.21 KB, 88 views)

Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
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Hi, the starboard engine with a hard code 38 wants to be checked to determine the casue of this. As for the rest and other engine, I would run XD-100, it is at the age and hours of doing a water pump service and checking the cooling system and both engines have hit a very high WOT RPM for an I-3-what do they rev to with normal load?

Cheers,

Huey.
soundmind

Registered: 01/23/11
Posts: 19
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will be doing the pump and cooling system service soonest....

i normay get them running at between - 4500-5500 rpm i think the high rpm was hit while exiting the heads in knysna on a rough day launching thru a breaker props spinning freely - wanted to get out of the danger zone asap.....dunno if you know about the knysna heads.

any idea where i could get a copy of the service manuals for this engine..



rathbourne

Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 10
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Code 38, will only occur on earlier engine PRE 2007, it relates to a over sensitive pressure switch used to detect oil pulses delivered into the main oil manifold prior to distribution to the individusl users, no oil run time in your case is further evidence of defective pressure switch. Evinrude having had a number of failures dropped the use of the pressure switch and updated the software to remove any ref to code 38. THe fix is actually refered to as INLINE ENGINE OIL SYSTEM SERVICE UPDATE,  you have to purchase a complete oil pump assembly as part of the kit and the cost of fix is $800 +. The main question on this matter is Evinrude where aware of this problem early in the etec life, but choose not to recall and address the problem responsibly. Also you have to buy a complete new assembly, the software upload to EMM removes all trace of this switch, why not leave it there as it will have no effect on the engine, you dont need a new oil pump??? 
KIt Number for 40, 50 & 60Hp : 5007476,  Kit for 75 & 90 Hp :5007477
Hope this help
Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 8,230
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Hi Barrie, thanks for your input and yes code 38 can relate to a faulty oil pump and over the years we have replaced 3 in total of those two P/Ns you list and we sell and service ALOT of I-2 and I-3 engines so not at all common. Not sure where you got $800 either, here in Oz the kit is around $450 and it would cheaper if in the States.

We have seen a few oil pumps where the internal hose gets loose and allows it to suck and pump air giving this code so soundmind should take this engine to a trained tech who can do the oil flow tests and oil pump tests to determine what the reason is and we can go from there.

As for the service manul any dealer can supply them and next time out on flat water see what your WOT RPM is because 5000-5200RPM is where it wants to be.

Cheers,

Huey.
rathbourne

Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huey
Hi Barrie, thanks for your input and yes code 38 can relate to a faulty oil pump and over the years we have replaced 3 in total of those two P/Ns you list and we sell and service ALOT of I-2 and I-3 engines so not at all common. Not sure where you got $800 either, here in Oz the kit is around $450 and it would cheaper if in the States.

We have seen a few oil pumps where the internal hose gets loose and allows it to suck and pump air giving this code so soundmind should take this engine to a trained tech who can do the oil flow tests and oil pump tests to determine what the reason is and we can go from there.

As for the service manul any dealer can supply them and next time out on flat water see what your WOT RPM is because 5000-5200RPM is where it wants to be.

Cheers,

The UK is very expensive for marine gear the cost of the kit here is actually £412 + 20% VAT which comes to over £500. I have spoken to at least six dealers/mechs and all have fitted a significant number of kits and all garantee this action will cure the fault 38, well actually it does not exsist in the upgraded EMM. maybe its to do with the British cold weather  Next time you coming to UK can i give you a shopping list for Evinrude parts, whats the postage like from Australia  THANKS BAZ 
Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 8,230
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Hi Barrie, you will find it alot cheaper to get parts from the States and perhaps the six guys you have spoken to have not looked further into a code 38 problem and as I said we have only fitted 3 of the kits you list and have seen pumps with loose hoses and fixed this code 38 problem that way but again not a huge problem for us.

Cheers,

Huey.
soundmind

Registered: 01/23/11
Posts: 19
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Problem seems to have been solved - primed the oil system while running and no faults detected.

ligths gone off also - must have been a airlock

cheers thanx for the help

rathbourne

Registered: 01/25/11
Posts: 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huey
Hi Barrie, thanks for your input and yes code 38 can relate to a faulty oil pump and over the years we have replaced 3 in total of those two P/Ns you list and we sell and service ALOT of I-2 and I-3 engines so not at all common. Not sure where you got $800 either, here in Oz the kit is around $450 and it would cheaper if in the States.

We have seen a few oil pumps where the internal hose gets loose and allows it to suck and pump air giving this code so soundmind should take this engine to a trained tech who can do the oil flow tests and oil pump tests to determine what the reason is and we can go from there.

As for the service manul any dealer can supply them and next time out on flat water see what your WOT RPM is because 5000-5200RPM is where it wants to be.

Cheers,

Huey.
 Just a cost update on rip off UK,  just ordered a new anode
0433580 ANODE, Stern bracket --- ANODE, Stern bracket
USA cost $18.17   UK cost £23.87(approx $41).  In the UK, BRP at least  double USA cost. We pay an high price for leisure and pleasure. Also Main BRP UK dealer fixed my oil problem, cost me £628 for new pump assembly etc.
regards
BAZ
Huey

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Registered: 04/20/08
Posts: 8,230
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Hi Baz, yes mate we see it here too, but we live in a world wide economy and if a customer does not like the prices the local market charges than perhaps time to look elsewhere. Contact Joe and see what he can do for any spare parts you might need.

Cheers,

Huey.


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